Revisiting our VOIP discussion

[Slankey]

4 hours ago, ddyelo said:

leave only TACs channels in ts3 so that VOIP is only during the chase, since people complain that they write streets slowly, without any channels 1A1-20 etc.

 

Detective and investigative work can become quite stale at times. While yes we are here to roleplay but we are also here to play a game. If I am on a stakeout, I want to be able to roleplay actively, passively and then able to maybe talk to my friends about maybe something going on in the world or something going on in their life like a relationship or even death. Some of my best friends have been formed on Teamspeak.

[Fat Bulldog Ferrer]

55 minutes ago, Slankey said:

Detective and investigative work can become quite stale at times. While yes we are here to roleplay but we are also here to play a game. If I am on a stakeout, I want to be able to roleplay actively, passively and then able to maybe talk to my friends about maybe something going on in the world or something going on in their life like a relationship or even death. Some of my best friends have been formed on Teamspeak.

 

With all due respect but are you fucking kidding me? 

 

Regular players can't use VOIP under any circumstances and you're over there shooting the breeze with your homies? You can't convince me there's no mixing IC/OOC when you're literally sitting on TeamSpeak roleplaying and talking about real life simultaneously. It distracts you from roleplay and there's major potential for metagaming. All the more reason VOIP should be limited to highly specific situations or prohibited altogether.

[Slankey]

4 hours ago, Rodrigo_Ferrer said:

 

With all due respect but are you fucking kidding me? 

 

Regular players can't use VOIP under any circumstances and you're over there shooting the breeze with your homies? You can't convince me there's no mixing IC/OOC when you're literally sitting on TeamSpeak roleplaying and talking about real life simultaneously. It distracts you from roleplay and there's major potential for metagaming. All the more reason VOIP should be limited to highly specific situations or prohibited altogether.

 

If you can't type and talk at the same time well then that's your own short fall. It's quite easy to do and quite easy to keep the two separate. Kind of like how I am on a voice call right now typing this. It's quite easy to do and will easily be done.  To counter your argument many many illegal roleplayers RP while in a discord VC, it's going to happen and you can't convince me otherwise that it won't. You'd be over-moderating something that isn't an issue, if it becomes one then that's a different story. But currently I don't think any factions plan on limiting the use of TS unless its on-duty channels and/or TAC. Sometimes the person that isn't in-game is working on casework or other forum work but just want to be able to talk to their friends.

 

It's a game, we're here to play a game. To tell someone they cannot talk to their friend's is absolutely ridiculous.

[Fat Bulldog Ferrer]

56 minutes ago, Slankey said:

If you can't type and talk at the same time well then that's your own short fall. It's quite easy to do and quite easy to keep the two separate. Kind of like how I am on a voice call right now typing this. It's quite easy to do and will easily be done.  To counter your argument many many illegal roleplayers RP while in a discord VC, it's going to happen and you can't convince me otherwise that it won't. You'd be over-moderating something that isn't an issue, if it becomes one then that's a different story. But currently I don't think any factions plan on limiting the use of TS unless its on-duty channels and/or TAC. Sometimes the person that isn't in-game is working on casework or other forum work but just want to be able to talk to their friends.

 

It's a game, we're here to play a game. To tell someone they cannot talk to their friend's is absolutely ridiculous.

 

Maybe I'm old but in my day nobody ever used VOIP and it was prohibited by every faction I've been in. Times must've changed if you consider this normal.

 

Well okay then. Forget about it.

 

Actually, let me edit and correct myself. All the cases I know of illegal roleplayers using VOIP were reports for metagaming, and these were the ones they got suspected or caught not all the actual cases when they mixed IC/OOC.

 

But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't know you so it'd be judgmental to say you do.

[ddyelo]

14 hours ago, Slankey said:

 

Detective and investigative work can become quite stale at times. While yes we are here to roleplay but we are also here to play a game. If I am on a stakeout, I want to be able to roleplay actively, passively and then able to maybe talk to my friends about maybe something going on in the world or something going on in their life like a relationship or even death. Some of my best friends have been formed on Teamspeak.

And this will be approved by the admins? xDDDDD

[Alexander Zhao]

3 hours ago, ddyelo said:

And this will be approved by the admins? xDDDDD

I mean, IT IS up to them whether to enact it or not.

[BurN]

I don't support either choice

[MrWussWuss]

19 hours ago, Rodrigo_Ferrer said:

 

With all due respect but are you fucking kidding me? 

 

Regular players can't use VOIP under any circumstances and you're over there shooting the breeze with your homies? You can't convince me there's no mixing IC/OOC when you're literally sitting on TeamSpeak roleplaying and talking about real life simultaneously. It distracts you from roleplay and there's major potential for metagaming. All the more reason VOIP should be limited to highly specific situations or prohibited altogether.

 

I mean okay remove TS channels, but we still have Discord and, y'know, phones. This isn't an issue. Making any regulation against people talking to other people on Teamspeak or Discord is futile as it is asinine. The game's better with friends. 

 

As for actual utility, what you have described is exactly how it already works (or, well, has worked since we don't actually have any policies on TS usage right now, but this is pretty common sense). You only use it for any IC comms when there's a situation where typing out things is just not feasible e.g. a chase. We're not all braindead who can't differentiate when is a good time to use it and when it is not. You didn't say this, but I'm just putting it out there for anyone who might think that way. 

 

And, naturally, if you don't want to talk to other people while you're roleplaying - just don't. Mute everything and do your own thing. Totally cool. I'm actually with you where I sometimes struggle with keeping up ICly because there's a bunch of shit being shot in the TS channel. But that's why I can mute so I can pay attention. 

 

For an added sense of realism, people roleplaying PD should call other cops frequently on the phone ICly. To shoot shit, order food, talk about some BS call they were just on, whatever. This way you can convert all that OOC talk into IC since this is what cops across the whole county I work at do all the time.

[Fat Bulldog Ferrer]

Reading the comments I feel like I'm a little out of touch and should read rather than write. 

 

It's one thing for PD to use it which technically has valid reasoning behind it even if I think it's advantageous for them and should be revamped. However I never knew VOIP was used that extensively for chatting. I remember a time people frowned upon /pming each other in-game, using OOC group chats, etc. because most of them turned into mixing IC/OOC sooner or later and started the whole OOC relationships phenomenon not to mention faction reports and drama when people accused each other of metagaming in situations that should've been resolved solely through roleplay.

 

Times have definitely changed because any major OOC communication and or VOIP was considered poor standards for most factions that cared about organic and authentic in-game roleplay. 

 

Anyway, I reckon it's difficult to regulate and the mindset has shifted so it may be better to let the ball roll than try to push a rock uphill. Though I'm glad for the discussion. 

[Effect]

33 minutes ago, Rodrigo_Ferrer said:

Reading the comments I feel like I'm a little out of touch and should read rather than write. 

 

It's one thing for PD to use it which technically has valid reasoning behind it even if I think it's advantageous for them and should be revamped. However I never knew VOIP was used that extensively for chatting. I remember a time people frowned upon /pming each other in-game, using OOC group chats, etc. because most of them turned into mixing IC/OOC sooner or later and started the whole OOC relationships phenomenon not to mention faction reports and drama when people accused each other of metagaming in situations that should've been resolved solely through roleplay.

 

Times have definitely changed because any major OOC communication and or VOIP was considered poor standards for most factions that cared about organic and authentic in-game roleplay. 

 

Anyway, I reckon it's difficult to regulate and the mindset has shifted so it may be better to let the ball roll than try to push a rock uphill. Though I'm glad for the discussion. 

Gotta agree.
Times has changed.