Penal Code - Pre-Launch Discussion

[Brett]

The Penal Code is officially posted which can be seen here. This will be the official topic for questions, discussion, and any comments. Here is some questions however we will get out of the way now.

 

Question: Will the times remain in hours or will they be increased?

Answer: They will be increased upon the full operation of the Liberty City Department of Corrections.

 

Question: Will time be spent IG or be allowed to tick offline? 

Answer: All online for now. Eventually will transition most likely to offline with the introduction of the prison.

 

Question: Will there be a court to enforce and review charges?

Answer: Yes, but at this time it will not be in operation. When the court faction is fully ready, we will transition into more court oversight of charges but for now PD IA will be given temp authority to review charges and adjudicate them if they are found to be fault based on the evidence. 

 

Question: Failure to Pay a Fine has no sentence. Why?

Answer: One will be provided closer to launch. It's still undergoing a revision, so for now please ignore.

 

I will be the point of contact for this code, due to also being the sole author of it and will actively respond in this topic. Thank you! 

 

[MeowTheEpic]

Great work my guy! my only two concerns are repeat offenders and some sentencing feels like a slap on the wrist for grievous crimes such as murder and armed robberies.

 

Will a system for repeat offenders be put in place? something as simple as a strikes system where it ends up in a life sentence if X character commits multiple class A felonies in a small span of time, of course these strikes should expire so people can roleplay long term criminal characters. 

 

As for time served, I feel like class A felonies could be a lot higher than 3-4 hours, I could kill a guy, get caught and I'll still be free before the day is even over.

[Kaos]

2 hours ago, Brett said:

Question: Will there be a court to enforce and review charges?

Answer: Yes, but at this time it will not be in operation. When the court faction is fully ready, we will transition into more court oversight of charges but for now PD IA will be given temp authority to review charges and adjudicate them if they are found to be fault based on the evidence. 

 

I'm not to sure on how I feel about giving PD the ultimate authority (nothing against anyone there at all). Wouldn't it be better to have the courts ready upon launch (or a courts committee that can just review said charges) instead of having PD IA do it?

 

Also what @MeowTheEpic said, will a system be put into place for repeat offenders?

[Biography]

@Kaos To touch on why PD is going to be the ultimate authority; there are no people who are interested in the courts, nor are we willing to risk overwhelming such system on launch. Even if we have 3,4 people who claim to be interested, they can pretty much crumble the entire community if they decide to give up. 

 

So, until a stable team is recruited, this is the only way to go about this. 

[Brett]

33 minutes ago, MeowTheEpic said:

Great work my guy! my only two concerns are repeat offenders and some sentencing feels like a slap on the wrist for grievous crimes such as murder and armed robberies.

 

Will a system for repeat offenders be put in place? something as simple as a strikes system where it ends up in a life sentence if X character commits multiple class A felonies in a small span of time, of course these strikes should expire so people can roleplay long term criminal characters. 

 

As for time served, I feel like class A felonies could be a lot higher than 3-4 hours, I could kill a guy, get caught and I'll still be free before the day is even over.

For now, since PD is basically judge, jury, and executioner I am not comfortable doing a strike system or anything of the sort just yet. That is something I want to do when the courts come in so the simple answer for now is no. And although the Class A Felonies like murder are like 4 hours. You have to remember that is not the sole charge they would get. They would most likely get charges for a firearm especially if they discharged a weapon, ran from the police, etc which can easily get them up to 8 hours or so. And considering they have to spend all that time IG in a cell with not much to do, it's not a fun experience so I'm hoping that will be enough for now. 

 

 

  

4 minutes ago, Kaos said:

 

I'm not to sure on how I feel about giving PD the ultimate authority (nothing against anyone there at all). Wouldn't it be better to have the courts ready upon launch (or a courts committee that can just review said charges) instead of having PD IA do it?

 

Also what @MeowTheEpic said, will a system be put into place for repeat offenders?

I don't like it either. However, the courts atm are empty of people and we hope to get them filled at a later point. It's not the best solution, but it's what we're working with for now. 

[danielleunglol]

6 hours ago, Brett said:

Question: Will the times remain in hours or will they be increased?

Answer: They will be increased upon the full operation of the Liberty City Department of Corrections.

There is no "s" in Correction. 😢

 

Jokes aside, this is my first time reading the penal codes and I've put my attention on the peace officer part (because of DoC). Before I raise my concerns, I think we should all appreciate Brett's work on the codes.

 

Will there be an expansion on the explanation of the types of Law Enforcement Officers? There are 3 types (technically 2 types) of law enforcement officers in NYC: Police Officers, Peace Officers, and Special Patrolmen. These are 3 different statuses and they do not share the same authorities.

 

As far as I know, the NYS doesn't have a State Fire Marshal agency. I wonder if we are going to follow the NYS or not. If so, the FDLC Fire Marshals are actually police officers, not peace officers, and FDLC officers and members are actually peace officers, referring to the IRL NYS Criminal Procedure Law.

 

 

[Brett]

41 minutes ago, danielleunglol said:

There is no "s" in Correction. 😢

 

Jokes aside, this is my first time reading the penal codes and I've put my attention on the peace officer part (because of DoC). Before I raise my concerns, I think we should all appreciate Brett's work on the codes.

 

Will there be an expansion on the explanation of the types of Law Enforcement Officers? There are 3 types (technically 2 types) of law enforcement officers in NYC: Police Officers, Peace Officers, and Special Patrolmen. These are 3 different statuses and they do not share the same authorities.

 

As far as I know, the NYS doesn't have a State Fire Marshal agency. I wonder if we are going to follow the NYS or not. If so, the FDLC Fire Marshals are actually police officers, not peace officers, and FDLC officers and members are actually peace officers, referring to the IRL NYS Criminal Procedure Law.

 

 

Not in my plans, no. I don't want to overcomplicate the system with legalese just for the sake of when it can be much more simple for the common reader. What's stated in Section 231.00 is most likely the extent of what it will go. 

[Jorgensen]

1 hour ago, danielleunglol said:

There is no "s" in Correction. 😢

 

Jokes aside, this is my first time reading the penal codes and I've put my attention on the peace officer part (because of DoC). Before I raise my concerns, I think we should all appreciate Brett's work on the codes.

 

Will there be an expansion on the explanation of the types of Law Enforcement Officers? There are 3 types (technically 2 types) of law enforcement officers in NYC: Police Officers, Peace Officers, and Special Patrolmen. These are 3 different statuses and they do not share the same authorities.

 

As far as I know, the NYS doesn't have a State Fire Marshal agency. I wonder if we are going to follow the NYS or not. If so, the FDLC Fire Marshals are actually police officers, not peace officers, and FDLC officers and members are actually peace officers, referring to the IRL NYS Criminal Procedure Law.

 

 

i think the whole thing you’re saying with State Fire Marshals and FDLC Officers is over complicating it - it’s a game after all.

 

I’d be interested in how we’re gonna avoid repeat offenders committing a felony in a day and then repeating as soon as they get out with no repercussions, or is it going to be a thing of if the persons a repeat offender then it’s dependent on their record?

[Brett]

5 hours ago, Jorgensen said:

i think the whole thing you’re saying with State Fire Marshals and FDLC Officers is over complicating it - it’s a game after all.

 

I’d be interested in how we’re gonna avoid repeat offenders committing a felony in a day and then repeating as soon as they get out with no repercussions, or is it going to be a thing of if the persons a repeat offender then it’s dependent on their record?

Right now, there isn't a real way to combat it. I don't plan for that to be the case indefinitely, as I do have plans for a habitual offender clause and such later down the line. I just don't want to introduce it immediately due to not having the infrastructure to properly enforce such a system just yet. 

[WatchingEye]

Sir ur penal code is illegible in dark mode! 

On a more serious note though, same concerns as above, repeated offences mostly! 

As far as different types of LEO's go, it's overcomplicating things for the sake of overcomplicating things, for me: 

LCPD - deals with general penal code violations 
Fire Marshals - deal with fire code violations (soontm) mainly and if a serious felony happens in front of them they can and will enforce the penal code in that spectrum 

DOC - prison stuffs idk I didn't really pay attention to what is it that the correction people do 

FBI - its the mf FBI you can figure that out 

 

Times look short for serious offences to me too, and while I agree that it should stay that way at least until launch I am gonna advocate for a change in the near future once the server launched and it's settled in properly.